Hydrogen sites

[bn37]

I thought I'd get things started for this section. Here are a couple sites I found that are interesting.

United Nuclear
www.switch2hydrogen.com

Water Visions, Inc.
www.gogreenfuel.com

[Oilguy]

You are reading my mind... I have done a lot in H2 research over the last 5 years. I just ran accross a new consept that is really insteresting and borderline crazy. he goes by s1r9a9m9 and says that he has a car running on water... not H2 but water!
He has a power inverter that converts 12v to 110ac and he uses the distributor as a trigger a relay to sends the 110 to the sparkplug to fire the water... He is running straight water throught eh carburator with bigger jets and retarded the timing to fire after TDC!??!?
Here is the PDF file
http://stanleymeyer.com/userupload/2..._explosion.pdf
I tryed a bench test with a 3000 W inverter and could get the spark to jump the gap.. I emailed him to see if he can lead me in the right direction.

I just think it would be so cool to convert my boat to run off of the water that it is running on!

Oilguy

[bn37]

I remember hearing a guy a couple years ago on the local AM talk station who was doing something similar (Maybe the same guy). He had a regular car running on water with minimal adaptations. He spoke of a building in Canada that heated itself by passive means (Little to no energy needed). He talked about an energy company buying the technology and then hiding it.

This could make the whole oil to diesel process obsolete.


BTW: I tried twice, but that link doesn't take me anywhere. Is it just me?

[Oilguy]

It is a PDF File... Here is the Text of the page... It is 7 pages long... so happy reading...

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Convert vehicle 1978 Chevy Camaro with stock 350 engine, automatic trans. Stock 4-barrel
carb, and stock fuel pump.
The gas tank has been changed to a metal water tank and the fill cap is vented to release heat
and pressure.
The exhaust was replaced with new 2-inch pipe that is ducted into the water tank. The water
tank has baffles inside it which also muffles the exhaust noise. The stock exhaust manifolds
were used, but they will rust on the inside, custom stainless steel pipes would be best but cost
was the reason they were not used.
All the stock ignition system is used, no changes were made.
A second battery was placed on the opposite side under the hood. The inverter was placed on
the fender well on the passenger side. A fresh air duct was placed to the grill section and covers
around the inverter to keep it cool, a relay was hooked up to turn the inverter on and off with
the ignition switch and fused with a 20 amp in line fuse on the wire. This relay only turns the
inverter on and off. The inverter is connected to the batteries with a positive wire and a ground
wire. The inverter is (not) grounded to the car at any point?..
A wire is plugged into the inverter and connected to the spark plug ignition box. Eight (8)
wires are connected to the spark plug ignition box and connected to the spark plugs, the
positive wire connects to the head of the spark plug the same way as the old wire would but the
ground wire has a washer type
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Connecter that the plug is tightened down on. This is the only place the 110 volt system is
grounded to the vehicle.
The eight (8) plug wires on the stock distributor are connected to the spark plug ignition box in
the same firing order as they were on the engine.
The spark plug ignition box is fairly simple. The wires going into the box connects to two (2)
plastic blocks with metal strips on them. One positive and one ground, one on top of the other.
Eight (8) 110-volt relays are used one for each spark plug. The relays only click on and off
when the plug wires fire to the relay. Both positive and ground wires go through the relays.
The relays are separated about an inch apart. The relays grounds the firing from the distributor
plug wire to activate the relay.
The power from the inverter can not be grounded to the car or engine it will result in a
electrical shock. The inverter cant be grounded to the car either, it blows the main fuse.
The only place it grounds is at the base of the spark plugs. The delay in the spark time is
slowed down from the time the coil on the distributor fires and the relays fire the plugs.
I don?t know the exact power to the plugs. The inverter has 2-110 volt outlets AC.
The power to the inverter is 12 volts DC, only one outlet is used on the inverter.
The alternator is the stock 95 amp that charges both batteries.
There is a spark knock sound when the engine is first started cold. But another post here
suggested that a preheated on the fuel system. I think just before the carb to warm the water to
around 120 degrees (F). maybe a
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System like a tank less hot water heater with a sensor to cut it off once the engine warms up to
Running temperature. I am also thinking about flushing the cooling system and using the water
From the tank to cool the engine.
Parts list :
Metal water tank with baffles to replace the gas tank.
Inverter 750 watts or higher. DO NOT GROUND TO CAR??????.
110 volt wire is 14-2 size as used in homes. Extra spark plug wire ends to insulate the 14-2
wires. 14-2 wire to connect the inverter to the new spark relay box.
The relay box looks a lot like a breaker box does on the inside and both positive and ground
have to break connection when the relay clicks on and off.
Relays can be found in appliance stores. I do not know what appliance they were used on and
they had no part numbers on them. Don?t ground the spark box to the car or engine.
Use two auto or marine batteries with high cranking amps. New exhaust system piped into the
new water fuel tank.
Bigger ports in the carb for more fuel flow. I tried a mist flow above the carb but there was no
way to regulate the flow of extra water into the engine.
16g wire to connect the on/off switch for the inverter to the cars electrical system. The
inverter
must remain on while the engine is being started.
Misc. insulator pads to go under the inverter and spark box. I used the packing material from
around a glass jar
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my wife received in the mail.
Reset the timing to were the engine runs best. Mine runs at 35 degrees retarded. I did use a
timing light to see where the timing was set at.
The spark plug gap was set at 65 and now it is set at 80.
There are some draw backs to this. A slight decrease in power. Rust in the exhaust system.
Probably a few more not sure yet.
(No) the headlights do not dim down when driving at night.
My wife purchased the vehicle fore me to restore from a friend of ours. She turned 71 and
decided
to sell it. When I started restoring it I started cleaning up in my shop that?s when the wire fell
into the can of water.
I changed the vehicle over to water then finished restoring it. It is valued a $16,000.00 by our
insurance company.
I didn?t build this to sell or get a patent on it or make big bucks from the information. I did it
because I could and did.
You can crunch the numbers all day long, but each car will have a little deference setting.
In working on the Chevy 350 engine with a carb and no computer controls.
Well this is all. The only thing I can add is just try it.
This is s1r9a9m9 diagram

I can't get the diagram to move over... but it is on the site.

Oilguy

[bn37]

Thanks for the effort OG!

I think my problem was my Adobe was updating while I was trying your link. I went to the home page and watched the two videos at the top of the page. Very interesting! I'm not sure what has happened since these videos were shot. The one on the right talks about a soon to be released conversion for vehicles. I'm curious what happened? I'll dig further.

[bn37]

WOW! A lot of information out there in this area!

I found information on s1r9a9m9, but they had him listed under "Possible Hoaxes". I went to the Stanley Meyer home page (stanleymeyer.com) and clicked on "New Forum" in the right column, then "The Water Fuel Cell" at the top to get to the forum.

Another interesting site I found is www.byronnewenergy.com.

There is a lot of other interesting and promising stuff out there. Some of this stuff blows away solar panels and what we're doing here as far as energy inpact goes. Applications for homes as well as cars. We may need to branch out to other forums.

I'll research and post more later.

[Dougie]

Do you guys really think this car running on water is for real? I sure hope it is!!

[shodan]

Hi
don't get too exited, most of this is free energy non-sense
that Stanley Meyer was just one in a very long line of snake oil salesmen

you might read about HHO or Brown gas generator
there are electrolysis cells (useful if you want to make lots hydrogen and oxygen, but not for cheaper than you could just buy it in cylinders)

running an electrolysis cell in a car is a bad idea for two reasons
first any steel parts (including stainless) will eventually fail, that what the guys at united nuclear discovered

second is that it takes more energy to eletrolyse water than you get burning it

you're effectively making you internal combustion engine run on electricity (massive amounts of it, for a 30% efficient engine (nominal) outputting 100 HP you will need 225 000 watts, or 18750 amps at 12 volts

electrical motors are 90% efficient, you would need "only" 83000 watts for the same output power

but forget getting this kind of energy from two truck batteries, you will be lucky to get 2400 watts for an hour from them

there are cheaper ways to make hydrogen than electrolysis, from methane you can make it, but it's more efficient to burn the methane if your engine takes it

there's no free lunch sorry

[obereejom]

Sounds like it could be legitimate yet years away in practice. There is much research now in using bacteria and sugars to produce hydrogen.